Torah Islam

You are relying on the “gospels”, which are heavily redacted by the Christian church.
The website www.netzarim.co.il (see e.g. the History Museum) proves that the historical Y’hoshua were obedient to the Torah and didn’t add any commandment to the Torah; and that he didn’t subtract any commandment from it. The same is proven correct for his followers, which were called the Netzarim.

I don’t have the time to comment on everything that you write, so I choose to comment on some of the many things you say which are contradicting Torah, logic, science and logical conclusions based on well documented premises – e.g. about first century history.

This is a logical proof that the Creator does not contradicts his perfect laws of nature:

http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2009/12/logical-proof-that-creator-does-not.html

Deuteronomy 13:1
אֵת כָּל-הַדָּבָר, אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוֶּה אֶתְכֶם–אֹתוֹ תִשְׁמְרוּ, לַעֲשׂוֹת:  לֹא-תֹסֵף עָלָיו, וְלֹא תִגְרַע מִמֶּנּוּ.
All of the speaking that I command you as a military-style order you should watchguard over to do; do not add to it, and do not subtract from it.

This is a basic and essential commandment from the Creator too all of mankind to not add ANY commandment to the Torah, and not to subtract ANY commandment from the Torah.
All men are prohibited of doing this, including Muhammed. This prohibition includes additions and subtractions proclaimed to be from any malakh [messenger] or “angel”.
Muhammed presumed to add commandments to the Torah and to subtract commandments from it, which is prohibited in the Torah.

Quran are claiming things about YHWH [translitterated consonants of the Name of the Creator] of the Torah, which are contradicting the Torah, which makes it to proclaim another Elohim (“god”) than the Elohim of Israel described in the Torah.

You wrote: “ Just think about it as, the person who was to be sacrificed at the Altar wasn’t Isaac but, Ishmael  Just think about it as, the person who was to be sacrificed at the Altar wasn’t Isaac but, Ishmael ”

Shalom and salam Sheriyar,

[First of all for everyone following this thread; here is logical reasoning for what is the Purpose and Will of the Creator of this universe for mankind:
http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2010/06/which-religion-is-correct-one.html

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Deuteronomy 18:15:
A man calling or proclaiming from your midst [referring to the people of Israel - i.e. those doing their utmost to keep all of the several hundred commandments of the Torah] from your brothers like me; will YHWH your Elohim raise up to you.
[My translation based on Biblical grammar; and etymological definitions of Klein's dictionary. See this document in order to learn to read and translate the Torah (Requirement: to learn Hebrew):https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nq7I56PI2C9byQI8Lkiztj09nvljR-pjNZoHJvitWFk/edit

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The Torah wasn’t invented by Mosheh. The Torah is the finalization of the revelation that started with Adam and Khava (the first two humans whom wanted to relate to the Creator according to His Will) and continued throughout a few thousand years, until it was finalized at the time of Mosheh.
According to Deuteronomy 4:2 and 13:1-6, mankind is prohibited to add or subtract ANY commandment from the Torah. According to the Torah in Hebrew, any person whom is doing this is a false prophet; and our Creator commands that one should listen to and follow such a person.

Thus, when Mosheh taught there will come a person proclaiming the truth of the Creator, he was not referring to a person whom would add or subtract commandments from the Torah. The person would be ‘like Mosheh’ in the way that he would also uphold and teach the validity of the several hundred commandments of the Torah. Prophets of other religions, including Muhammed, are precluded since their teachings are adding and subtracting from the Torah.

That first century Y’hoshua is the proclaimer that Deuteronomy 18:15-18 speaks about is evident for everyone carefully studying this website and all of its links: http://www.netzarim.co.il/Museum/Sukkah03/Sukkah03.htm

[see also www.netzarim.co.il

; History Museum ]

You are cherry-picking the words from the Torah that you like and are perverting them from their historical and logic interpretation.

You are relying on Muslim clerks whom are perverting that which is written in Torah – i.e. you are relying on men instead of learning how to read Torah in Hebrew by yourself.

Basically, you are using the wrong methodology. You are assuming the Quran to be true – based on no evidence – and every document contradicting it to be corrupted. I recommend you to learn more here on this article that I have written: http://www.torahislam.com/torah-vs-islam/moses-or-muhammed/

You are assuming the Torah to be corrupted without any evidence.
In the articles linked above I demonstrate the Torah to be the Instruction manual of the Creator and to be unchanged. Quran contradicts the Torah, and thus according to Torah, it is a document not originating from our Creator.

I hope you will study and choose to follow the truth – the Torah! In either case I respect your free will-decision.
Take care!

The historical Jew was called Y’hoshua.

One must differentiate between the historical Torah-observant Jew called Y’hoshua described in the original authentic account of Matityahu ['Matthew'] – which Christians destroyed; and the ‘Jesus’ of the gospels that teach against the Torah [books of Moses; the Instruction Manual of the Creator] in many accounts. [Documentation at www.jewishsalvation.com and www.netzarim.co.il ] Yehoshua was a human and thus not divine/”divine saviour”/”Son of God”. He was a spiritual son of the Creator and he taught that persons rejecting the Torah don’t receive forgiveness from the Creator.
Y’hoshua is the historical person; and ‘Jesus’ is a counterfeit image created by Christians.

To obey the Creator, is according to the Torah and the teachings of Y’hoshua – the Jewish Messiah – to do ones utmost to keep the many hundred commandments of the books of Moses.

To claim that Y’hoshua was a Muslim contradicts the well-documented fact that he was a Torah-observant Jewish teacher: Link

Shalom and salaam to you also Sheriyar!!
Yes, indeed the Creator is One in the Hebrew Bible.
See e.g. some of these articles, which demonstrate that the trinity-concept contradicts the Hebrew Bible: https://www.google.com/search?q=trinity+site%3Awww.netzarim.co.il&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla%3Asv-SE%3Aofficial&client=firefox-

Also the teachings of the Quran contradicts the teachings about the Creator in Torah. Documentation: www.netzarim.co.il

es, according to Scholars (and everyone can confirm this by himself/herself), the NT is heavily redacted by Christians.
Documentation: www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/Glossary/Glos_N-Q.htm#Df-NT

The website www.netzarim.co.il proves that the historical Y’hoshua was a Jew and that he taught that Torah is for all of mankind for all generations;
and that Christians took some of his teachings, perverted them, and created the counterfeit image ‘Jesus.

It is not called ‘Old Testament’, since it is still valid, and wasn’t superseded by the Christian Testament. It is the Original Testament and can be called Hebrew Bible/ Tana”kh.

You are free to ask me your question by mail, message or in this thread. I can’t Skype now. I need to prepare for going to the lab and do research..

I wish you a great day!

Salaam again,
I write this only to be helpful and since I want everyone to know about the truth of the Creator, so that they can start doing His Will.

Translations are not acceptable. Christian translation contradict the original Hebrew text.
See e.g. these examples: http://www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/MessPro.htm

This article proves logically that the Torah is the Instruction Manual from the Creator to mankind: http://www.proofexistencegod.com/will-of-god/will-of-god/

Isaiah 48:6 does not contradict the rest of the Hebrew Bible. It does not speak about new commandments.
Deuteronomy 13:1-6 declares any prophet adding commandments or subtracting commandments from Torah a false prophet.
Quran contradicts the Torah. It adds commandment to the Torah and subtracts commandments from the Torah. The logical conclusion is obvious.

Search for ‘eye for an eye’ in this article to understand the way the Creator desires that commandment to be observed: http://www.netzarim.co.il/BeitKneset/P48%20Shophtim.htm
Forgiveness is given first and only when the person causing a physical injury to another person, does his utmost to give financial compensation for the damages that he has caused.

The article from Islam101 that you referred to contains errors. I demonstrated in my last post that Ribi Y’hoshua was conceived in a natural way by Yoseiph and Miriam, just like Mosheh was conceived by a father and a mother. The article fails to differ between the historical person Y’hoshua and the counterfeit non-historical image that Christians created – ‘Jesus’. I recommend you do your homework and study first century history at www.netzarim.co.il [see 'History Museum'] and study the rest of that website carefully. Then you will find out that Quran is filled with historical errors and accounts contradicting science and logic.

Have a great day!
Take care!

If you studied first century research (see www.netzarim.co.il) you would find out that the historical Y’hoshua was a Jew. You would also found that his teachings got redacted to the “gospel of Matthew”; and that the Hellenists created the counterfeit image which they called “Jesus”. Also Islam contains information about the counterfeit image ‘Jesus, which Muslims call ‘Isa’.

Ribi [a title for a Jewish leader with rabbinic ordination] Y’hosua is the historical person. Jesus is the counterfeit image.

Ribi Y’hoshua taught Torah [the books of Moses]. He was a human (and thus NOT a “man-god”) and a spiritual son of the Creator. [See documentation on the above website; "History Museum" (left menu); Mashiakh (top menu)]. Neither he, nor any Torah-observant Jew, has ever taught the anti-Torah doctrine of trinity.

Research demonstrates that the Hebrew Bible (that Christians call “Old Testament”) we have today is the same Hebrew Bible as there was in the first century (compare e.g. the Qumran scrolls).

Mohamed Fawzy ,
Are you interested in truth and historical facts?
If so, please note that the historical person was called Y’hoshua and was a Torah-observant Jew.

Christians created a counterfeit image by changing his name and completely changing his teachings.
The “gospels” contradict the Instruction Manual of the Creator called the Torah. Please also note that Torah is the Unchanged Instruction Manual from the Creator to all of mankind for all generations – and that the Creator requires each individual to do his/her utmost to observe its many hundred commandments.
[There is alot of evidence available on www.netzarim.co.il ]